Re: [lojban] "Any" and {ro}

[la gleki <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Thursday, December 27, 2012 6:36:38 PM UTC+4, v4hn wrote:
> On Thu, Dec 27, 2012 at 07:39:14AM -0500, Ian Johnson wrote:
> > ko dunda pa plise mi is "make it true that there exists exactly one apple
> > that you give to me."
>
> > If you have an apple in mind and say that, then you're not conveying
> > that you have one in mind at all.
>
> Completely understood and absolutely right.
>
> However, as far as I can see {ko dunda pa plise mi} does not explicitly
> say whether or not you have a specific apple in mind.

Pardon for a silly question. 

But if you have something in mind, isn't it an attitudinal?

 

> It's just, that I didn't specify it, if I have one in mind.
> In my opinion it's still a valid counterquestion to ask "Which one?" here,
> don't you think so?
>
> Also, if you answer with {pa plise} again, it might be a bit stupid, but still
> it's a reasonable answer to say "I got that part, but which one do you want?"
> in my opinion.
>
> The question is, whether there is a way to _spell out_ that you _don't_
> have one in mind instead of omitting further information and waiting
> for the listener to recognize the conversational implicature.
>
> No such way, which does not explicitly state {ko cuxna} or {mi na pensi lo selsteci},
> was mentioned up to now _as far as I understood everything_
> and even the {ko dunda da poi plise ku'o mi} seems to rest on a very strong
> conversational implicature instead of explicitly stating that you don't
> care/know which one you'll get.
>
> That is because it doesn't seem to be a problem to me to add
>
> {ko dunda da poi plise ku'o mi .ije mi djica lonu do dunda lo zunle traji mi}.
>
> However, it is weird to say something like "Give me any apple. I want the leftmost one."
> or "Gib mir irgendeinen Apfel. Ich will den ganz Linken." (in my mother tongue).
>
>
> Any opinions?
>
>
> v4hn

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