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Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)



As reasonable a position as any.  But again, remember that linguistic choices of this sort don't translate into metaphysics, thery are all fac,ons de parler, which will work with any metaphysics (another form of SWH bites the dust).


From: Jacob Errington <nictytan@gmail.com>
To: "lojban@googlegroups.com" <lojban@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, May 2, 2013 9:32 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Time-(non)local sumti (was: Mixing tenses, on the beginners list)

On 2 May 2013 22:23, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
But you seem to have answered this question.  As xorxes notes, our formula 'lo ca me mi' or whatever, clearly indicates a temporally segmented mi, 'mi' alone leaves the matter open.  So how do we speak of the perduring mi?


I'd say that 'mi' alone is the perduring mi, and that {lo me mi} is roughly equivalent to it (minus lo's ability to retrieve only salient referents / not-quite-referents, i.e. me-mi goo). Tacking extra specifications onto lo me mi is what gets at particular, time-local referents.

On a philosophical level, I'm not too fond of the idea of time-locally delimited sumti, and I've always found ways to rephrase. A longlasting problem was "I'm better at swimming than I used to be," which, rather than with {zmadu}, I translate with {ba'o zenba}.
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