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Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla
la .lojbab. cu cusku di'e
And as I see it, it is destroying the concept of Lojban as a
logical-predicate language. I don't see anything "useful" about
treating a cmene as if it had a place structure, unless you are
meaningfully going to use that place structure.
The currently proposed definitions give cmevla only a single place:
x1 me la CMEVLA
x1 me lo selcme be zo CMEVLA
x1 selcme zo CMEVLA
Maybe something could be done with cmene3, but it's probably safer to
zi'o it out.
If I saw people making use of place structures in their brivla names, I
might be more sympathetic. But they don't, and I suspect that
absolutely no one thinks about the x2 of tsani when they use that as his
name.
Indeed, no one does, because {la} removes the meaning from the brivla so
that only the string of letters/sounds is relevant. The form may hint at
the original meaning of the brivla, but I doubt anyone thinks of a sky
when they refer to {la tsani}, they think of *him*.
I feel the same way about my own name. The name "selpa'i" is just a
string of letters that I like the sound of. The meaning of the brivla is
nice, but I would not claim that {mi selpa'i}, or in other words, I
would not want people to infer {mi selpa'i} from {mi'e la selpa'i} or
anything like that. And I wouldn't want to have to answer a question
like "la selpa'i be ma". My name is not "selpa'i be <whatever>", it's
"selpa'i".
la X == lo selcme be zo X
{zo X} means the *word* X, not its meaning.
The place structure completely disappears.
That's how I see it, and from what I can tell, that is how {la} is used
by the majority of Lojbanists.
mu'o mi'e la selpa'i
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