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Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands.

One of the fatal consequences of shifting negation from prenex to wherever the Hell you want to put i has been that we often have no idea what is being negated.  That seems to be the case with UInai.  Alas, both obvious possibilities have clear cases of being what is needed and clear cases of what is just nonsensical, and a vast majority mof cases where either would work and be useful but there is no good argument for one rather than the other.  The tendency seems to be to treat them all alike and hide the ridiculous cases as best you can, but, since matters started off with some going one way and some the other, it is not clear which way to treat them all.  (Of course, it is not clear that all UI need the possibility of a negation around, but that is too radical a notion to get much traction.)


From: la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, May 26, 2013 9:51 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Robin retry: commands.



On Sunday, May 26, 2013 6:28:03 PM UTC+4, Betsemes wrote:
On Sun, May 26, 2013 at 9:30 AM, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In case of doubts we should always  change back to {sei broda}.
>
> {*rei=sei minde}
>
> I hope someone can make the full list of translations.
>
> Because sometimes {nai} acts like {to'e}, sometimes like {na'ei}.

Okay, I'll make my non-linguistic try.

{rei = sei minde}
{reinai = sei to'e minde}

Now what is an antonym of command? Here: http://thesaurus.com/browse/command
we it says:

Main Entry:        command  [kuh-mand, -mahnd]  Show IPA
Part of Speech:        noun
...
Antonyms:         contradiction, countermand, opposition, recall, reversal, revocation

So based on this, I may say {to'e minde} is "countermand".

So maybe:
rei: command - obedience optional - countermand

Now much better.
As for other UInai I'm sutre even the authors didn't understand what they could mean.
I hope I'm mistaken.



Thoughts? Comments?

mu'o mi'e betsemes
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