Re: [lojban] "we" and masses. A bug in the CLL?

[la arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

On Thursday, June 20, 2013 4:39:08 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:

So, {lo za'u cusku be dei }.  {no'u} just sounds wrong;it is not an identity, merely a predication, probably {poi}.  For the rest it is over specification in that these other things may or may not be included.  {lo} does it's usual selection job in context.  In particular, lo na'e cusku are not to be included, by the nature of the gadri. 

Don't you think that your definition contradicts Wiktionary that says that "we=the speaker and at least one other person" ? It is not said that that other persons are to be viewed as speakers.

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 6:31, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Thursday, June 20, 2013 3:16:50 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:

I thought I just did. 

Where is {dei}  in {lo za'u cusku}. Does "we" include only those who speak or those to whom something is spoken? No.

"we" is either {mi no'u za'umei} or {mi jo'u da poi prenu gi'e na'e cusku be dei gi'e na'e te cusku be dei}

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On Jun 20, 2013, at 0:47, la arxokuna <gleki.is...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wednesday, June 19, 2013 10:19:41 PM UTC+4, clifford wrote:

Oops!  I probably should have said {na'i} (false dichotomy) since "we" is actually neither.  It is, however, contextual, "the salient group of the speaker and associate(s)", exactly {lo za'u cusku}, I I think.

Do you think you can give a precise definition of {zo'oi we} in Lojban?

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