Re: “ko pinxe mi” picture (was: Re: [lojban] Alice essay)

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

I don't see why .xorxes. is being asked to explain himself. Translation is not an easy task, especially with works of art.

The rules for written Lojban are extremely loose and very simple. Regarding specifically your issue with capitalization, Lojban /doesn't care/ about it except for marking non-penultimate stress; {krefu}, {KREfu}, {KREFU}, etc. are the same word. Using capitalization for visual purposes that do not affect the meaning of the text grammatically or semantically are not "clearly against the rules" for the simple reason that the rules don't have anything to say on the matter, and they shouldn't. Further, with the recent in comparison to the writing of la.alis. use of accents instead of capitals to mark non-standard stress, the case of lerfu is made nearly irrelevant where jbogerna is concerned.

.xorxes. was and is well within his artistic license in making la.alis.. If you have disagreements as to his artistic choices, you're more than welcome to make your own translation.

On Sat, Dec 7, 2013 at 5:04 AM, Wuzzy <almikes@aol.com> wrote:

On Fri, 6 Dec 2013 20:28:28 -0200
Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
> BTW, this is not the only (or the first) use of all-caps in the text.
> The labels that Alice reads, KO MI PINXE and KO MI CITKA are also
> written in all-caps. In this case not just because the original does
> that, but also because there is a DRINK ME in one of the pictures and
> I thought that made for a better match between text and picture.
So the first argument says it’s in all-caps in English, it has to in
Lojban, too. This is a strange argument. By extension, we could also
start every Lojbanic sentence with a capital letter because in the
English version, every sentence happens to be starting with a capital
letter as well, despite this is clearly against the rules.

I defeat the second argument by drawing a new picture for you :-). I
have changed the picture a little bit so the label does not read “DRINK
ME” but “ko pinxe mi”. I am not a very good artist, but I tried my best.
You find the PNG image in the attachment.

If you’re interested, I can also upload the XCF file for The GIMP and
also an image for “ko mi pinxe”. I uploaded “ko pinxe me” because it
slightly looks better in my opinion.

Lastly, the rules for which you write random words in all-caps seem to
be more or less random and inconsistent. From another e-mail I read that
“KREFU” was justified because it was a “metalinguistic comment”.



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