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[lojban] Re: [oz] Assorted translation questions



Am Dienstag, 7. Januar 2014 16:47:16 UTC+1 schrieb .asiz.:
Chapter 3

9. {co'a zùkte lo nu brebì'o lo nu lìtru se ka'a la ri'òjme tcàdu};

Why {litru se ka'a} instead of plain {klama}? Is it just for variation, or is there some nuance you are trying to emphasise? I understand that {klama} is telic, but I can't see it making a difference here.

{klama} alone sounded too plain for a journey. Maybe {li'ukla}.
 

10. {sei la .dòrotis. fau lo nu xùlgau vìmcu lo cìnje be ty};

Did you forget a {cusku}?

Yes.
 

11. {lo tolcì'o ke kiljì'o je blànu màpku};

Wouldn't {se kilji'o} or {jipkinli} be more appropriate? The hat is either jipno2 or kinli1.

Weeell it's a tanru. (Changed)
 
12. {pa lo kànla cu màsno kalgaislìgau lo kànla};

ki'a?! Did you mean something like
 {cy masno kalgaisligau pa da}?

That's what happens when you translate for four hours straight...
 
It should be {cy. masno kalgaisligau lo kanla}.

Chapter 4

13. {cy boi dy kànsa lo ka glèki cmìla lo dy. malfu'a};

Did you mean {lo cy. malfu'a}?

Yup, thanks. (These letter pronouns really aren't great)


14. {va'o lo nu mi sràku my ja'e lo nonsèlsfe te zu'e lo nu mi ka'e cìtka};

Why {nonselsfe}? What about {kevna} or {nonselgai}?

He's talking about cutting a hole into his painted mouth. It's not exactly a {kevna}, since it's not concave, but simply nonexistant afterwards. The other option is {kunti}.
 


15. {pa lo pa moi se zùkte cu nu pirfì'i lo mi kèrlo kei};

15.1. Wouldn't {so'o moi} fit better?

That's an interesting idea. I treat "one of the first things" as there being several things that are pa moi together, and the current action is among that first group.
 

15.2. Why {pirfi'i} and not {te pixra fi}?

 Because I don't consider {te pixra} an action. It's more of a made-by stamp.
 

16. {ki'u lo nu pa re'u nu mi vìska lo mùnje};

Is that second {nu} intentional?

Four hours! Although if I recall correctly, some days were closer to six hours.
Fixed.



17. {da tai tolkùfra lo nu da djùno lo du'u da bèbna};

Why not {zo'e} here?
{tai tolkufra lo nu vo'a djuno lo du'u vo'a bebna}

Repeating {vo'a} so much isn't my style. "Some are so ... about knowing that they ... that they ..." works fine with {da}.
 

18. {dùnda lo lànka la cpitèpygau};

Don't we have {benji} for this?

She gives the basket to the Scarecrow, that's plain {dunda}.
 

19. {mi'o bìlga lo ka klàma ro da poi dy mi'a da klagì'a};

The alternation of pronouns baffles me. I would use {ma'a} all along.

That second {mi'a} should be {mi'o}. I use {mi'o} because the speaker is addressing the rest of the group and including themselves, but there are no others involved, so {ma'a} doesn't fit.

Thanks again for all the comments. And I haven't forgotten about the spreadsheet.

mi'e la selpa'i mu'o

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