Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete

[Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com>]

ToDo: As of now there are still 13 instances of "scale" and 4 instance of "concept" remaining.

Other news: as was found years ago 2D spreadsheet is not optimal for storing semantic tags. Take {voksa} which is both "Socio Communication" and "Socio Music/sound". This certainly makes filtering necessary semantic classes harder. Google Sheets currently can't search in filters with regexps so I can't merge all 4 semantic columns into one (thus getting a tag list). And of course the ultimate semantic classification should be based on mlismu.

2014-06-07 3:38 GMT+04:00 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:

A few comments on some x3's that caught my attention:

(1) What would be an example of a scale in dukti3?

I think dukti3 will usually be a property with kau:

  ko'a ko'e dukti lo ka ce'u jinvi ma kau

  ko'a ko'e dukti lo ka ce'u cinse fi ma kau 

(ignoring the messiness of the "cinse" place structure)

  ko'a ko'e dukti lo ka ce'u zvati lo mo kau mlana be lo klaji

  ko'a ko'e dukti lo ka ma kau farna ce'u

  ko'a ko'e dukti lo ka ce'u dikca fi ma kau

and so on. Are those scales?

  
(2) You have "klani" backwards. x2 is the number, x1 is the thing, as in all other measure words. "klani" is the generic measure word.

  ko'a klani li ci lo ka xo kau da bruna ce'u

  ko'a klani li pa pi mu lo ka ce'u citka lo xo kau plise 

  ko'a klani li mu lo ka ce'u xo roi klama lo zdani be mi

and so on. So, can we say that scales are property+kau? If so, then a lot more places should be marked as "scale", all the comparatives for example.

No, let's call them "property of xM and xN with {kau}" to avoid polysemy of "scale" within this gimste project.

I corrected dukti and most other brivla from "klesi 2=General comparisons" semantic column.

(3) If lidne3 is something like a lerfu2, I don't think it's a plural:

  ko'a lidne ko'e lo latmo selyle'u

fxd

 

(4) ckini1 and ckini2 can be of any type. "ckini" is the two-place equivalent of "ckaji", they are completely general.

And srana1,srana2 too.

fxd. 

(5) Why is cimni3 (quantity)? Is that the same as (number)? (I think cimni3 should be dropped though)

Not sure why length and width are specifically mentioned in the definition of cimni, since cimni2 can be any property, not just a spatial dimension.

fxd. cimni3 ignored (i.e. removed but only from the list). 

(6) I would have expected parbi1 (number), parbi2 (any type), parbi3 (any type). Isn't parbi1 the number of parbi2 divided by the number of parbi3? 

fxd

 

(7) Why is lerfu3 a "location"? Isn't it normally a sound/phoneme? And that mysterious "concept" shows up again.

I changed to x3 (located, sound). Probably "sound" is a pseudo-type but let it be a temporary place until brivla with this "sound" are marked in semantics columns.

lerfu probably can stand not only for phonemes. Take Chinese characters. The sound encoded in a Chinese character is only part of what it encodes. Very often it encodes a whole verb-brivla.

And yes, I think the mass of thousands of Chinese characters can be called an alphabet.

(8) ciska3 and tcidu3 "medium" is a role right, not a type?

Yes, fixed. I also dont understand why ciska4 exists but tcidu4 does not (I read with my own eyes/hands). Can't listening to audiobooks be called reading? 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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