* Tuesday, 2014-11-04 at 20:39 +0100 - Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>: > > On 04/11/2014 02:14, Martin Bays wrote: > > * Thursday, 2014-10-30 at 13:51 +0100 - Ilmen <ilmen.pokebip@gmail.com>: > >> On 30/10/2014 02:43, Martin Bays wrote: > >> What's wrong with {broda xoi ke'a rapli li no} → {lo nu broda cu rapli > >> li no}? > > If {broda xoi ke'a rapli li no} is taken to mean {da fasnu gi'e nu broda > > kei gi'e rapli li no}, then we have something of a contradiction > > - surely no da ge rapli li no gi fasnu? > Agreed. Then, {brode xoi ke'a brodo} is probably better rendered as {da > fasnu gi'e nu brodo fa lo su'u brode}. i.e. just {lo su'u brode kei brodo}? So {xoi} as essentially an afterthought version of {lo nu}? I suppose that could also be handy. I have no idea whether this was the intended meaning of {xoi} > For example, {broda naku} → {da fasnu gi'e nu narfau fa lo nu broda}, I don't think these are quite equivalent, though. {mi do ca ku tavla naku} is false, but {ca ku lo nu mi do tavlu cu na fasnu} isn't obviously false - there are events of me talking to you which aren't currently occuring, and they could be among the referents of the {lo nu} phrase. Martin
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