Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Sat, Nov 22, 2014 at 10:01 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:

So for example, if yesterday morning it snowed out of a clear sky, but
in the afternoon it snowed while the sky was cloudy, and both of these
events are salient, what could you say about the truth value of
{ca lo prulamdei zo'u lo snime cu carvi .i je nai ca bo lo dilnu cu
gapru}?

I would say its truth value is the same as the truth value of "ca lo prulamdei zo'u ca lo nu lo snime cu carvi kei lo dilnu cu gapru". 

I wouldn't say it's definitely true or false under the circumstances described, just as I wouldn't say that "lo kadno lanci cu xunre" is definitely true or false. I'd say it's a pragmatically inadequate thing to say in isolation, because "cabna" is not very well defined when cabna2 is an event that happens more than once, just as "xunre" is not very well defined when xunre1 is multicolored.

I am understanding you as saying it would be false, while I would have
expected it to be true.

So you would expect both of these to be true:

 ca lo prulamdei zo'u lo snime cu carvi .i je nai ca bo lo dilnu cu gapru

 ca lo prulamdei zo'u lo snime cu carvi .i je ca bo lo dilnu cu gapru

? They may seem contradictory but they are not because of the hidden "su'o" you are assuming. I'd prefer to go with:

 ca lo prulamdei zo'u lo snime cu carvi .i je nai ro roi bo lo dilnu cu gapru

 ca lo prulamdei zo'u lo snime cu carvi .i je su'o roi bo lo dilnu cu gapru

(where I'm using "PA roi bo" with tense-like semantics). 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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