Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Nov 12, 2014 at 11:19 PM, Martin Bays <mbays@sdf.org> wrote:

Yes. So the kind-based translation falls, incorrectly, on the first side
of the dividing line you drew above - it allows for, and appears to
involve, two goings shopping for each hungering (ignoring that
pragmatics might, in this particular case, lead us to assume that
they're equal).

I don't think in the kind-reading there are any other goings shopping other than the one kind, so there are no two that could be equal or unequal.

Another point against the quantifier reading is that if you change ".e ba bo" to "na .a ba bo", then we would seem to need to change "su'o" to "ro" in the quantified expansion: "ca ro nu mi xagji kei mi klama lo zarci na .a ba bo lo zdani" -> "ca ro nu mi xagji kei ro da poi nu mi klama lo zarci zo'u ga nai da fasnu gi ba da mi klama lo zdani" or something like that, whereas with the kind-reading you use the same expansion "ca ro nu mi xagji kei ko'a goi lo nu mi klama lo zarci zo'u ga nai ko'a fasnu gi ba ko'a mi klama lo zdani". 

I don't see how to fix this, if the {je} approach doesn't work.

I'm not opposed to giving "broda je brode" a different meaning than "broda gi'e brode". Technically "broda je brode" is an atomic predicate in FOPL terms.

 

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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