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Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: sedu'u and ko

On 8 August 2012 07:20, Efrain Caro <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 7, 2012 at 3:51 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> Really? Then why do they ALL have place tags in their definition?
>
> du'u abstractor: predication/bridi abstractor; x1 is predication [bridi]
> expressed in sentence x2.

Jonathan, you are obviously a more knowledgeable person on matters of
Lojban than myself; so pardon me whether I'm asking a stupid question.

I want to ask why those definitions contain *[bridi]* in their
definitions. By themselves, I assume they don't. I must assume thus
that the definition refers to a complete abstraction and not the
abstractor by itself. How am I wrong? Does any abstractor form an
abstraction all by itself? If so, what {lo se du'u kei} would mean?
Does it mean {lo se du'u co'e kei}? Or is it illegal?

Please, explain.

mu'o mi'e betsemes

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NU produces a selbri and a selbri contains by definition a place structure. However, NU *by themselves* don't have a place structure. The selbri that they produce does. The distinction is subtle, but it does exist. Therefore, SE do not apply to NU proper. They apply to selbri (and connectives and tags).

NU cannot be empty: the parse *will* fail. That is to say that {lo du'u kei} is not grammatical.


mu'o mi'e la tsani

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