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Re: [lojban-beginners] Some questions after reading la .teris.



On Wednesday, June 24, 2015 at 12:57:35 AM UTC+2, xorxes wrote:


On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 6:21 AM, Erik Natanael Gustafsson <eriknatanae...@gmail.com> wrote:
On Tuesday, June 23, 2015 at 12:08:56 AM UTC+2, xorxes wrote:
 
I think that's mostly a matter of register. "I am of the opinion that ..." is way too formal for something like that. In English you might express an opinion by saying "I think that ...".
Yes it's too formal, but I wanted to clearly distinguish the different senses of "to think". "To think" has so many different meanings that it feels almost meaningless when used in a definition.

But "think that ...", i.e. when the object is a proposition, is pretty much always "jinvi".  Other "think"s are usually "pensi".
But couldn't "think that" just as well be sruma, krici or even smadi depending on context?

 
I guess the question is, how would I in Lojban distinguish between an opinion that is a belief concerning something which is true or false and an opinion that is a subjective view/taste? 

"jinvi" for the first one. For the second, I would need an example, but I suppose you are thinking of "by standard" places, as in "ta melbi mi", "that's beautiful to me"?
I'm sorry, I'm still having trouble seeing "opinion" used for objective contexts, but I'm trying to understand. I'll try to come up with clear examples of what I mean:
Objective/true-false unsure statement: "I think Stockholm is a city, but I'm not sure." (where think can be replaced by believe)
Subjective statement: "I think Stockholm is a dreadful city."
I would use krici or similar for the first and jinvi for the second. Or is there another way to state facts with uncertainty that is appropriate for the first example?

di'ai co'o

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