Re: [lojban] Re: "any John" -- is it possible to translate this?

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Apr 8, 2010 at 4:27 AM, tijlan <jbotijlan@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
> I understand that "ro da zo'u la djon po'u da cu broda" differs from
> "la djon po'u ro da cu broda" because a different value is picked for
> each "da" according to its own scope  order;

It's not just that. In "ro da zo'u la djon po'u da cu broda", for each
value of "da" we could pick a different John. In "la djon po'u ro da
cu broda", the same John has to be picked for all the values of "da".

"roda po'u la djon" = Everyone who is (a) John.
"la djon po'u roda" = (The) John who is everyone.

> but I don't see why "da"
> in "la djon po'u ro da cu broda" cannot mean any sumti which serves to
> restrictively identify "la djon", as in "la djon poi ro da poi steci
> ke'a la djon zo'u ke'a du da cu broda".

Right, but in "any John" we don't want to restrictively identify some
particular John, we want to quantify over all Johns.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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