[lojban] Re: Named multiples

[Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com>]

> This argument is really vague. What does "irregular word-form" mean?
> What does "normally allowed" mean? Are you saying that this change
> would make there be too many pauses?

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> If you're saying that this change could result in fu'ivla being
> abandoned altogether, why is that a bad thing? Specifically, what is
> it about cmevla-as-selbri that makes them good for the speaker but bad
> for the language?

The case against long lujvo is moot. We create loanwords from our own
language when they become too long. Also, mitpavycinglepre is a really
stupid example as that isn't an accurate lujvo for 'homosexual', and
I'm quite offended by the idea that we have to have a word like that
in a more enlightened age where gender and sexuality are fluid enough
to warrant "nakni cinse", "fetsi cinse" and so on. I personally am
offended by the use of "mitpavycinglepre".

That aside, my point is that we create fu'ivla of exceptionally long
lujvo in an effort to keep them short. It's like the lojbanic version
of abbreviating things.

We have a standard of phonological rules in Lojban. Everything ends in
a vowel, anything with two or more syllables has penultimate stress,
things have to have correct consonant clusters so they don't break
apart. There is an ordered and well-thought-out structure to every
single word, phrase, emphasis, and every other thing in the language.
The ONLY thing that ends in a consonant is a name, and so names become
easy to pick out due to the fact that we rarely use them in
conversation, and they sound nothing like the rest of the language. On
that mental parse tree, if we used "xorla", I would now have to stop
and question every single cmevla to check whether or not it's being
used as a selbri.

If we restricted cmevla selbri to ONLY being "x1 is named/called...",
then I would agree full-tilt with this proposal. If that doesn't work
with everybody else, then can we at least put -some- restrictions on
them? Perhaps that they're restricted to being single place selbri?

=D We can call my proposal "linla" in honour of xorxes. ((zo'o))

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