Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Here are some signs that what is intended here is not expressions of empathetic 
emotions (etc.)
1.  show no signs that the speaker, whoever that may be, shares Lindar's pity. 
It is translated by a non-restrictive relative clause.
2.  Ditto, though here I suppose this could be a sharing, but the translation 
appears to rule that out.
3.  Ditto.  Here, of course, the speaker has no grounds for even displaced 
pride, given the conditions on pride.  Maybe happiness or some such.  But that 
is not what is indicated nor how the whole is translated.
4.  Ditto.  Again no signs of empathy, nothing expressive, just a relative 
clause.
Did I mention that relative clauses are the wrong sort of things to be here?
----- Original Message ----
From: Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tue, September 14, 2010 1:39:37 AM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI

On Mon, Sep 13, 2010 at 7:53 PM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> By the way, I like da'oi a lot. So it's {.uuda'oi .selkik.} for if I
> feel pity toward selkik?
> I'm using that!

No, that's if I feel pity.  If you're the one pitying me then you'd say:

1.la .selkik. .uu da'oi .lindar. cu co'e
Selkik, pitied by Lindar, does something.

More examples:

2, lo verba .ui da'oi mamta cu kelci
Mom's happy that the kid plays.

3. do finti lo melbi .o'a da'oi do
You made something beautiful, you must be proud.

l4.o mlatu cu citka lo kukte .oi da'oi cipni
The cat eats something delicious, which is painful to the bird.

mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

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