Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 03:32:51PM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 3:50 AM, Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > Specifically, the line {ni'o la .alis. co'a tatpi lo nu zutse lo
> > rirxe korbi re'o lo mensi gi'e zukte fi no da} is incorrect. The
> > original text reads "Alice was beginning to get very tired of
> > sitting by her sister on the bank, and of having nothing to
> > do.". This doesn't actually mean that she's becoming fatigued.
> 
> mi do ckire lo nu do te pinka doi lindar
> 
> http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/tire says for "tire (v.)":
> "3. to have the strength reduced or exhausted, as by labor or
> exertion; become fatigued; be sleepy.
>
> 4. to have one's appreciation, interest, patience, etc.,
> exhausted; become or be weary; become bored (usually fol. by of ):
> He soon tired of playing billiards."
> 
> So, is "tatpi" just for sense 3, or does it also include sense 4?
> Is it just exhaustion of strength, or also of interest or
> patience? The wording of the gi'uste, which includes "situation"
> for the x2, suggests that it also applies to exhaustion of
> patience. 

To me, that's polysemy; I would never describe boredom as
"exhaustion of patience", and even if I did, it's nothing like being
physically tired, which is what tatpi is for IMO.

Whether I'm bored has nothing at all to do with patience, it has to
do with whether I'm receiving interesting input.

-Robin

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