Re: [lojban] Re: Alice - the xorlo version

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Sep 23, 2010 at 4:52 PM, Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I disagree with Lindar; I think that "tatpi" is a good translation.
> We could perhaps distinguish two kinds of "tatpi", being tired of
> physical exertion perhaps za'e "xadyta'i" (xadni+tatpi) and being
> tired of mental exertion perhaps za'e "menta'i" (menli+tatpi).  These
> would have in common that they are the result of a strenuous activity,
> either physical or mental, the seltatpi, which the tatpi has engaged
> in until they've finally become tatpi.  That's different from being se
> tolzdi, which one can be immediately upon encountering something
> tolzdi.

I think tatpi is not necessarily the result of "strenuous" activity,
it's the result of something that exhausts or drains your energy,
whatever kind of energy. Strenuous activity can be one cause but doing
nothing can also drain your energy (as in this case for Alice).  The
gi'uste does include "situation" as a possible cause of tatpi, not
just activity.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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