[lojban] Re: mistakes

[Lindar <lindarthebard@yahoo.com>]

And, you just kinda... went the opposite way there.

"We don't agree enough."
"Nuh-uh!"

You kinda proved the point there.
=P

If that didn't work for you, then I'll try to say what I'm thinking.
SUPER SENTAI ITEMISING ACTION!!

1. Express just as much positive as negative, if not more.
Too often we have, "No, you're wrong." and little to never we have,
"That was awesome.". This was one of the points in the article that I
liked the most. Give points for effort, find something nice to say, be
sincere! My homeboy ctino is on cinchcast now and recorded some stuff
for us. He had a bit of a grammar fumble, but his accent is really
good, especially for a merko. So I went over different ways to express
what he meant, and I complemented him on his accent. His R's are sexy
and his vowels are very clean, by the way. Even if you don't agree
entirely or at all, find something nice to say in addition to your
criticism. "Hey Lindar, I think that article is complete bollocks, but
I see where you're going. X and Y are why it's a dumb idea, but A and
B sound to me like a better idea."

2. Keep jbodau off of the beginner list. Corrections good, jbozau
good, jbodau bad. Make a relevant thread in the main list if you need
to jbodau about it. Thank you, Luke, for your perfect example.

3. Not every conversation needs to degrade into jbodau. Just because
somebody forgot a fa'orma'o and it parsed incorrectly doesn't mean the
whole conversation is now about fa'orma'o. If it's necessary to
correct something, then try to follow a pattern like:

> .i lo broda be lo brode ku brodi
Looks like you made a mistake in there. There's no selbri because
broda and brodi form a tanru. You need to terminate that all the way
( lo broda be lo brode ku be'o ku brodi - or use cu ).
Yeah, so that's awesome. *response*

4. The perfection game is totally relevant. We argue all the time.
See?

5. The idea or concept of not wanting correction is a bit counter-
intuitive to the ideas of Lojban (excepting xedbig) and to the types
of people that would learn or do use it. I do not wish to snuff
opinion or wish to turn Lojbanistan into a saucer cult, so please
share some methods of voting/discussing that have been successful in
other groups with our sort of model. We certainly have been more
harmonious with regard to goals, though. We have quite a rallying cry
behind this BPFK stuff and what Robin has got going on (perfect
example). Certainly freedom of expression with mutual respect is
something I definitely want, and we have that up to a certain point.
So perhaps my goals are closer to the freedom + respect end rather
than the "total absolute agreement" end. Well played!

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