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Re: [lojban] non-ka properties
2011/6/22 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
> 2011/6/21 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
>> 2011/6/20 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> From the gimste, I would describe a se cipra as a pure ka, non-kau,
>>> property.
>>
>> I consider a ka-kau a pure property, just not fully specified.
>>
>
> I consider a pure-ka a predicate with a variable argument, and a
> ka-kau a function. At least, this is what I was asking for in my first
> message. Perhaps you mean that the {kau} thing means "whatever
> fits here"?
>
By the way, this is my main point of investigation. Some bridi appear
to require a function in a specific place, others appear to ask for a
predicate with a free argument.
For example, in {zmadu}, it makes the most sense that the x3 should be
a function with an ordered set as a codomain. In {mutce}, it makes the
most sense that the x2 should be a function for whose codomain there
is a notion of extremeness. Similarly for {mleca}, {traji}, {jibni}, etc.
In these cases, a pure-ka could be understood as a shorthand for a
kamakaujei.
On the other hand, the x2 of {ckaji}, {cipra}, {sisku} and {simlu} is
clearly just a predicate with a free argument.
Stating a {ckaji} is just an indirect way to state the bridi obtained
by applying the predicate to the x1.
In a {cipra} you test how the predicate is true after substituting the x3.
In a {sisku} you search the set x3 for an element that makes the
predicate true, which certainly involves one or more {cipra}.
Finally, a {simlu} is just the subjective version of {ckaji}.
In all these cases. I can make no sense of the bridi when the x2 is
a function. All the interpretations of a ka-kau there hereon given
appear to be in a direction contrary to ka-kau expressing a function.
I hope I could make my point clear now.
mu'o
mi'e .asiz.
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