Re: [lojban] gender

[Sebastian Fröjd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com>]

not longer than a lot of common swedish compund words I use regularly. I think medium-long lujvos won't be a problem when people becomes more familiar with the language. Anyway I really need a general word for the word gender as this concept is used a lot in academic discourse, and the other proposed definitions, like te ganti and te cinse, are too specific.

x2 may also be neither male or female.

mi'e jongausib mu'o

2011/11/18 Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>

I think the word is too long. Other than that I have no opinion.

On Fri, Nov 18, 2011 at 5:35 AM, Sebastian Fröjd <so.cool.ogi@gmail.com> wrote:

So what do you think about this definition?

fetyjavnakykai: c1=n1=f1 has/is characterized by evidencing male or(/and) female traits/aspects c₂=n2=f2 (ka) of species n2=f2; x1 has the sex/gender of being male or(/and) female of species x3.

Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a general definition (male/female) or based on particular characteristics/traits (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia (pinji or plibu), internal genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te cinse/jikca) etc).

mu'o mi'e jongausib

2011/11/9 djandus <jandew@gmail.com>

The way I see it, gismu are preferably things that can be clearly defined. If the meaning isn't apparent, then how are we supposed to use it?

When I look at the issue of gender, I see a few different things:

the question of what kind of gametes you have, which is generally the same as...

the question of what kind of gamete-producing structure you have, which is {terganti}

the question of what your 23rd chromosomal pair consists of, which is related to {jgina be fi lo ganti}

and, finally,

the question of whether you are male or female, which is entirely culturally defined. There is no way to define it explicity. For this reason, I'm of the opinion that if you need to use a word as culture-specific as "male" or "female" (or analogous words in other languages), then use fu'ivla or, simply, {la}.

It's not that it's too complicated to be a word, it's that it's too culturally dependent to be a lojban gismu.

NOTE: I purposefully left sexual preference off the list. At least to me, I've always been able to easily separate "male vs. female" from sexual preference throughout my upbringing. Similarly, Lojban already has them clearly separated already. (tercinse) So, IMO, that issue's already covered.

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