On Thu, Jul 12, 2012 at 10:34 PM, vitci'i
<celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> The use of "gender" in that context is different than
>>>> self-identification;
>>>>> it's targeting based on gender, and that's a tanru/lujvo.
>>>>
>>>> What would you tanru/lujvo together to convey that? sevzi is
>>>> insufficient to distinguish gender identity from other kinds of
>>>> self-identification (e.g. nationality/culture); klesi and le'e likewise.
>>>> cinse is narrower, but as I've mentioned also means sexual orientation,
>>>> and to distinguish which sense is meant we again need a word that means
>>>> gender.
>>>>
>>>> (If we had a word for sex, gender could be constructed by lujvo as "sex
>>>> stereotype". But we don't.)
>>>>
>> Anyway, I'm certainly not going to say {jbepibnafei ke kulnu xarlei ke'e
>> sevzi} every time I want to talk about gender identity. If I had the
>> power to rewrite cinse, gender identity would be {cinse'i}.
>>
>
> Good, because you'd be wrong to do so. Gender identity != genetic sex.
Did you read the rest of what I wrote? The problem I'm trying to solve
is that there aren't words that are capable of specifying the concept
"gender". Since sex was one of the nearest misses, I constructed a
phrase including it.
I'm saying that the English word "gender" is too broad to be one Lojban word, and that the only portion of it that is important is biological. Societal gender is not, to me, important at all. It doesn't matter to me what gender- in any sense of the word- a person is, except in the biological sense, and even then, only for reasons of biological/medicinal purposes. (Like if I want to have kids, or I need to treat a relevant illness.)
> (Maybe {ko'a jbena zi'o zi'o zi'o fi'o plibu ko'e})
I don't think {zi'o} is what you want here: you've said that ko'a is
born never, nowhere, and to no one, but nevertheless is born.
No, that would be noda, not zi'o. zi'o removes that place from the relationship, it doesn't fill it with "does not exist".