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Re: [lojban] baby words, sort of: catlu vs. zgana



On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:23:08 PM UTC+4, la gleki wrote:


On Saturday, September 22, 2012 9:04:40 PM UTC+4, selpa'i wrote:
Am 22.09.2012 19:02, schrieb Ian Johnson:
> {mi viska lo plise noi farlu}. With some more twiddling you can force
> simultaneity if you care about it.

Or just "mi viska lo nu lo plise cu farlu".

Hey, yes and no. That's the point. If lo se viska can be an abstraction then my new gismu work. If not then I'll have to revert back to less backward-compatible 3-argument predicates. Both my suggestions can be found on http://www.lojban.org/tiki/BPFK+Section:+sensory+gismu


Is zgana2 an abstraction place or not?


Anyway, here is the table of what we have.

te jvinu se jvinu jvinu

viska se viska
te skari skari skari

tirna se tirna
se sance sance
krixa se krixa

sumne se sumne
te panci se panci panci

se vrusi vrusi

te palpi se palpi palpi
rufsu

te smaka se smaka smaka
se kukte kukte


{smaka} (taste) and {palpi} (palpable surface) are experimental words. We can clearly see that it is possible to regularise the structure of all this stuff.
The question is what solution to choose? 3-place solution seems to be the best one but it requires the third column to be an abstraction. Like
{mi te jvinu lo tcadu lo ka jibni lo cmana}. Besides, 3rd column of visual channel is not filled. Is {jvinu} restricted to visual channel? If so then no questions here.
For audio channel {te sance} might be a good solution.

I think this whole issue is something that can be fixed without breaking much backward compatibility.

 

mu'o mi'e la selpa'i

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