Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

A Lojban name that looks like another _expression_? If there are some, we have a whole new set of problems, since the name-other distinction is fundamental.

And the predicate here created means? Presumably the composition rules still applies (if not, there is yet another problem) so, lacking any other information this means "is John-Paul" or "is John and Paul", though what {ui zei pi'o} means (and why we would want it) is beyond me.

My understanding of the cumulative effect of dotside is that every *name* must be surrounded by glottal stops (which otherwise do not except between final and initial vowels, i.e., phonemically conditioned). Thus, {.paris.rom.} is distinct from {. paris rom.}

From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 3:58 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 5:20 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

The name-others distinction in logic is not about function (although that, too) but about form. Could Lojban names look just like other expressions? They don't, but that is not the issue.

Some do, some don't.

What kind of a predicate is {djan zei pol}? It is said to have lujvo glue, but does not appear to be any sort of lujvo (not that I can remember all nine-and-ninety rules for lujvo, but they all seemed to end up with something with an early CC and a final vowel).

"zei" joins (almost) any two words into a predicate. (There are a few exceptional words, "zei" itself being one of them, that's why it's "almost" any two words.)

Two things. I suspect that we have different understandings from the volumes on the topic of the nature and power of dotside.

I suspect so too. All dotside does is allow cmevla to contain the syllables doi/la/lai/la'i, at the price of requiring a dot at the beginning of every cmevla. You seem to think it's something much more powerful.

So I would allow compound names, just have the total demarcated.

Demarcated how? ".djan. .smit." can't be both one compound name consisting of two cmevla, and also two sumti. If you allowed compound names it couldn't be two sumti.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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