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Re: [lojban] Specifying sumti types: another revision of gimste is complete


On Mon, Jun 16, 2014 at 1:55 AM, Gleki Arxokuna <gleki.is.my.name@gmail.com> wrote:
 
porsi1 - I disagree.

By ordered plural I mean {ce'o}, by "plural" I mean {jo'u}.

But what do you mean by "ce'o"? It has two competing definitions.

I would define jo'u and ce'o as follows:

(1) ko'a jo'u ko'e := zo'e noi ge ko'a .e ko'e me ke'a gi ro me ke'a cu me ko'a gi'a me ko'e

(2a) ko'a ce'o ko'e := ko'a jo'u ko'e vu'o noi ko'a lidne ko'e

But "ko'a ce'o ko'e" could also be defined as:

(2b) ko'a ce'o ko'e := lo porsi be fi ko'a jo'u ko'e be'o noi ko'a lidne ko'e ke'a
 
With definition (2a), "ko'a ce'o ko'e" is plural, with its referents forming a sequence. But "ko'a ce'o ko'e" doesn't refer to the sequence, it refers to the members of the sequence.

With definition (2b), "ko'a ce'o ko'e" is singular, and its referent is a sequence that has ko'a and ko'e as members.

With (2a), ko'a ce'o ko'e cu se cunma. With (2b), ko'a ce'o ko'e cu gunma.

porsi1 is for the sequence, not for the ordered members of the sequence, so it isn't plural, just like gunma1 or linji1 are not plural. I understand "lo ci porsi" to be three sequences, not three things in a sequence, which would be "lo ci te porsi". If porsi1 is plural then porsi1 and porsi3 would refer to the same things.

And if you use "ce'o" to create a sequence (definition (2b)), then it probably shouldn't be used in places for ordered plurals. 
 

plita2 - OK?
sarni2 - ?
three corners imply that all of them are to be specified.

Yes, I understood that, I was just wondering at the weirdness of the place structures. I guess the idea was that since geometric gismu mostly have weird place structures, if we are to create a new one it should come with a weird place structure as well. Shouldn't kubli3 and kerfa2 be plural too? and kubli2 a number? The geometric gismu obviously need some revision.

Another plural: morna2

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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