Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 3:44 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jorge Llambías, On 23/04/2010 02:07:
>>
>> We would also have: "LE relative-clause KU" (as well as the more
>> obvious "LE KU relative-clause")
>
> Do they mean the same thing? I remember we discussed it once, many years
> ago, but can't remember the answer.

Without a quantifier, I don't see a difference. With a quantifier, the
inner clause should be clearly part of the sumti, and so it should
work in the same way as without a quantifier.

The outer clause with a quantifier involved is tricky. It could be
taken as restricting the referents of the sumti, or as restricting the
quantifier. If the latter, then each value of the bound variable must
pass through the restrictive clause filter individually. I don't know
whether it's worth making it restrict the quantifier. One problem is
that in "ko'a poi broda" we don't really have the two choices.

    no lo ze prenu (ku) poi pendo mi cu klama lo fasygu'e
    "None of the seven people who are my friends went to France."

Am I saying that of the seven people who are my friends, none of them
went to France, or that of the seven people, no friend of mine went to
France? Without "ku", it's clearly the first, but what happens with
"ku"?


>> The nice thing about "LE relative-clause" is that it is just like
>> Spanish. English doesn't allow that construction, but Spanish does.
>>
>> And it makes poi'i/seka sort of redundant to "lo poi ge broda gi broda".
>>
>> Yes, this definitely should be allowed.
>
> Do you have some kind of record of these ideas?

I don't think there is a centralized record, but they are bound to
come up for discussion whenever we decide to make a complete official
formal grammar, which we don't currently have.

> And will we at long last
> start seeing them implemented?

Ah, that is the question. :)

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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