Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Briefly, the notion of other-centric UI is absurd.  UI are used to express
> emotions, to grant certification, to make promises and so on.  Thus they can
> only be used by  the persons performing these acts.  The most another person
> can do is either report that utterance of the word in question or (more
> daringly) claim that the first person has the emotion or whatever or has
> performed the act in question.

We can also empathize, which is why we have "dai". If I see someone
hurt themselves, I can put myself in their shoes and say "Ouch!", or
".oidai". But "dai" doesn't let you indicate who you're empathizing
with, so that's where "da'oi" comes in, as I understand it.

> Both of these are straightforward factual
> claims and, to the extent that Lojban is based on logic, need to be
> expressed in normal assertive ways: free standing sentences or
> non-restrictive relative clauses in such sentences.  'da'oi ui lindbar'
> fails this test unless it is an approved abbreviations for "Lindbar said
> "ui" about this subject"  or "Lindbar is happy about this subject."  At the
> moment, this does not seem to be the case, and, even if it is, it is very
> badly chose, since it does not *look* to be an assertion.

It's not an assertion. "ui da'oi lindar" would correspond (roughly) to
something like "Yay for Lindar!" in English.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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