Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI

[Craig Daniel <teucer@pobox.com>]

2010/9/16 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>:
> On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 10:34 AM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Briefly, the notion of other-centric UI is absurd.  UI are used to express
>> emotions, to grant certification, to make promises and so on.  Thus they can
>> only be used by  the persons performing these acts.  The most another person
>> can do is either report that utterance of the word in question or (more
>> daringly) claim that the first person has the emotion or whatever or has
>> performed the act in question.
>
> We can also empathize, which is why we have "dai". If I see someone
> hurt themselves, I can put myself in their shoes and say "Ouch!", or
> ".oidai". But "dai" doesn't let you indicate who you're empathizing
> with, so that's where "da'oi" comes in, as I understand it.

But ".oidai" doesn't mean "somebody else feels pain," it means "I feel
pain, empathetically." This is normally pretty much the same, but as
far as I can tell it doesn't actually require anybody else to feel any
pain - for a somewhat crude example, imagine that you are male and you
see one of those naked classical statues have its junk broken off. I
at least am likely to cringe empathetically at the perceived
painfulness of the situation, even though I'd be pretty shocked to
learn that the statue had any actual feelings on the matter at all.

 - mi'e .kreig.daniyl.

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