Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

I do wish you would try to justify it, since justification often leads to 
clarification of what is being claimed.  So far as I can tell, empathetic 
emotions (etc.) are not all that common (nor all that rare). They are common 
enough that I am surprised that, in the gazillion different ways of doing 
expressions, that made their way into CLL, this possibility was missed,  They 
are rare enough that I suppose the creators can be excused for missing them. 
 They are also common enough that we do have fairly standard ways for expressing 
some of them (see xorxes' earlier examples), so the misleading translations are 
all the more unfortunate (he doesn't succeed with number 1, where I still don't 
anywhere detect the pity -- even bogus -- in the speaker).  Still, if used 
carefully, this is a welcome addition to Lojban and its ongoing attempt to cover 
every damned possibility.


----- Original Message ----
From: Stela Selckiku <selckiku@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thu, September 16, 2010 6:29:59 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: other-centric UI

On Thu, Sep 16, 2010 at 7:14 PM, John E Clifford
<kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> And for 1?  These are not, after all, translations but rather part of an 
>effort
>> to teach and justify a new usage.  One expects such to be fdone with
>> relevant care.

2010/9/16 Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com> responded:
> Not everyone is consciously aware of such linguistic subtleties, so
> the fault was not necessarily carelessness.

For the record I was just speaking very casually because I'm among
seemingly intelligent friends who I'd expect to easily understand this
intuitive and simple cmavo given some basic examples.

Also, I'm not trying to "justify" anything, any of you can use or
approve of "da'oi" or not as you wish.  I do think you'll need to
understand it in order to understand what people say in Lojban going
forward, though, because I think it's extremely necessary and useful
and so I'd expect it to be increasingly common, especially now that
we've had this public discussion of it.

Oh, and it's not a "new" usage either, BTW, it just hadn't yet escaped
into mailing-list-ese from IRC-ese. :)  I guess according to its
jbovlaste page it's been around for a year now:
http://jbovlaste.lojban.org//dict/da%27oi

mi'e la stela selckiku
mu'o

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