Re: [lojban] Time for the perenial other-centric-.ui conversation

[Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>]

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:57 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:

On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 8:54 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 6:32 PM, Craig Daniel <craigbdaniel@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Dec 1, 2010 at 7:31 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > On Tue, Nov 30, 2010 at 6:01 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>
>> > wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Why not, given that it is built on 'ie'?
>> >> Gee, I hope someone can do better than xorxes.
>> >
>> >
>> > Because of the bloody definition of the bloody word {pei}.
>> >
>> > UIdai is used to indicate another's UI-state, why do you have such a
>> > problem
>> > with UIpei, which is used to ask about it?
>>
>> UIdai is *not* used to indicate another's UI-state, but the speaker's
>> UI-state and the fact that it is empathetic in nature.
>
> empathetic
>
> Showing empathy for /others/, and recognizing their feelings etc
>
> empathy (uncountable)
>
> the intellectual identification of the thoughts, feelings, or state of
> /another person/

Yes, but .uidai represents empathetic happiness - a mood on the part
of the speaker which arises from identifying with someone else's
happiness.

I can conceivably imagine this being something other than happiness -
for instance, I can imagine expressing schadenfreude with ".ui.oidai"
- but it would certainly be unusual. Dai, however, is still about the
speaker's emotional state; in this, it differs from pei, which very
definitely is not.

I'll give you that. {da'ai} is the truly non-speaker one, but I'm on the side of the fence against that one.

--
mu'o mi'e .aionys.

.i.a'o.e'e ko cmima le bende pe lo pilno be denpa bu .i doi.luk. mi patfu do zo'o
(Come to the Dot Side! Luke, I am your father. :D )

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