Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

[Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 2:51 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> {ce} is JOI, so yeah you need the {ku}. How the hell {mi broda ce brode}
> differs from {mi broda je brode} and {mi broda joi brode} is anyone's guess
> afaik.
>
> That reminds me, actually; why does the grammar refuse:
> LE SELBRI JOI LE SELBRI
> ? Why can't JOI realize "left side is sumti, right side is sumti, so ku is
> implied on left side"? Does the grammar not have enough lookahead, or
> something?
>

    That's exactly right.  The problem is that when you say "lo gerku
joi ..." if the next thing you say is "mlatu" then you are still
within a single sumti,  So you have to explicitly close off the sumti.
 It's explicitly spelled out in the CLL.  Now, whether it not that's
NECESSARY for understanding an utterance is a different question. I'm
reasonably certain that the next phrase after a JOI can unambiguously
determine if you are joining sumti and selbri (since you can't join
one to the other).  Perhaps the main difficulty for a nonhuman would
come in a sentence like "mi nelci lo mlatu joi denpa bu" (I like cats
and the thing labelled ","), since denpa looks like a selbri until the
bu comes around.  But I could be wrong, if "bu" is processed
differently.  I'm not a parser kind of guy.

              --gejyspa

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