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Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

Seems odd, but OK.  What does it mean joining two predicates, as in your examples? that would seem to be 'je's job.  And 'joi', aside from introducing the unspeakable notion of masses, is a different kind of combining, here perhaps almost intelligible (red joi blue for a ball with stripes of a swirly pattern or something). It looks like 'joi' itself could go in either slot.  So maybe 'ce', too (though I'm not sure what it means between predicates).  'je', on the other hand only goes between predicates.  If 'joi' is inspecific on joinees, the you do need to close the first term to show that it is terms, not predicates being joined. 
 But it all raises the question whether we use the same connectives for C-sets and L-sets (alias plural references).

From: Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 1:51:58 PM
Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))

{ce} is JOI, so yeah you need the {ku}. How the hell {mi broda ce brode} differs from {mi broda je brode} and {mi broda joi brode} is anyone's guess afaik.

That reminds me, actually; why does the grammar refuse:
LE SELBRI JOI LE SELBRI
? Why can't JOI realize "left side is sumti, right side is sumti, so ku is implied on left side"? Does the grammar not have enough lookahead, or something?

mu'o mi'e .latros.
On Fri, Jan 7, 2011 at 1:30 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
Being a little rusty in both areas here, I proceed in terror.  But it seems to me that 'ce' only joins noun phrases, so this needs the other two 'lo' at least.  I don't know whether 'ce' also forces 'ku', though it seems it should.  I'm also not sure about the 'jai' -- this doesn't seem to be raising a prepositional object to argument status, mainly because nothing here is a preposition.

Ooops!  I forgot
4 How do we do the restricted choices:  "Which (at most) one do you want?" and so on.  Can 'ma' be quantified?


From: Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Fri, January 7, 2011 11:42:53 AM
Subject: Re: Cake, Pie or Ice Cream? (was: Re: Lojban is *NOT* broken! Stop saying that! (was Re: [lojban] Re: Vote for the Future Global Language))



2011/1/7 Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>
 do djica tu'a ma noi cmima  lo titnanba kuce lo nabypalne kuce lo bisyladru

Is «ma du lo titnanba ce nabypalne ce bisyladru ku'a [jai] se djica [be do]» works, or we do need that number of "kucelo"s?

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