Re: [lojban] non-ka properties

[Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>]

On 20 June 2011 13:00, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
> 2011/6/20 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
>> On 20 June 2011 10:01, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 2011/6/20 Felipe Gonçalves Assis <felipeg.assis@gmail.com>:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> ni'o
>>>> A second issue, which has been in my mind since I first considered
>>>> the kau approach: How does {ka broda} compare to {ka xukau broda}?
>>>
>>>    "ka xukau broda" Means "the property of whether or notit is
>>> broda".  It's actually probably identical (or nearly so) to the
>>> little-used "jei [broda]".
>>>
>>
>> Wait, in a {jei} there is no {ce'u}.
>> Anyway, the question is, isn't {ka ce'u broda}, when applied to a
>> specific object, the same thing? From your own interpretation, we have
>>  "the property of wether or not it is broda" vs
>>  "the property of being broda"
>>
>> --
>
>  Yes, those are different.  The first is a binary value, whereas the
> second is simply "brodaness".  Example "mi se melbi lo mi gerku lo ka
> crino" -> " my dog is beautiful  because of his greeness" "mi se melbi
> lo mi gerku lo ka xukau crino" -> "my dog is beautiful because of the
> state of his being-green-or-not".

I don't get it. Do you mean that {ko'a melbi fi lo ka broda} presupposes
{ko'a broda}? Or do you mean that a ka-xukau returns a strictly binary
value, while only a non-kau allows for fuzziness? In either case, I disagree.

Also, I would translate to "in his greenness"
instead of "because of his greenness".

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