Re: [lojban] babies: "you might as well sleep"

[Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>]

On Sun, Nov 06, 2011 at 04:40:30PM +0000, tijlan wrote:
> On 6 November 2011 05:36, Robin Lee Powell
> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> > On Sat, Nov 05, 2011 at 11:05:58AM -0300, Jorge Llambías wrote:
> >> On Sat, Nov 5, 2011 at 9:44 AM, Robin Lee Powell
> >> <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> >> > On Fri, Nov 04, 2011 at 10:37:29AM -0300, Jorge Llambías
> >> > wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> "might as well" means "have no reason not to", so you could
> >> >> say ".ei no da fanta lo nu do sipna".
> >> >
> >> > What's the {.ei} there for?
> >>
> >> Just to make it a little less presumptuous: "there ought to be
> >> nothing preventing you from sleeping" instead of a plain
> >> "nothing prevents you from sleeping". You could leave it out
> >> too.
> >
> > Huh.  That's not what I think {.ei} means at all.  I read that
> > as "I, the speaker, am feeling obligated/constrained about
> > something having to do with nothing preventing you from
> > sleeping".  I don't get your use there at all.
> 
> The personal feeling that there is an obligation can be
> independent of how the goal is to be achieved. For example, I
> could be feeling that a broken public bridge in my town ought to
> be repaired but not that the repairer ought to be me myself. {.ei
> cikre lo cripu} wouldn't necessarily mean that the speaker is
> feeling personally obligated to do anything for the bridge

I *strongly* disagree.  The whole *point* of UI is that they express
immediate emotions *of the speaker*.  See
http://dag.github.com/cll/13/3/

> any more than that {cikre lo cripu} just ought to be brought about
> by whatever agent.

UI are not propositions.

-Robin

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