Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

Sorry to have been abbreviated: I should have been explicit in saying "refers to the object that fills the first place in this instance of the relation" or some such thing.

I have no idea why selpa'i picked his name (and I doubt you do), indeed, I didn't bother thinking about what it meant until this discussion go started and then I assumed he picked it because his name was "David" or some such thing. But whatever it is, it is clearly irrelevant to the name as a name and so is, at best, a direction to follow in a psychological inquiry, hardly a claim about how names from predicates work.

From: Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2013 4:55 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 6:31 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

As for your position, you have said it explicitly several times: {la tsani} refers to the first place of {tsani}.

I'm pretty sure I never said that. "la tsani" refers to a person, not to the first place of a predicate. I do think however that what the first argument of a selbri chosen as a name is is relevant to the choice of that word as a name. We wouldn't have so many people choosing names that begin with sel- if that was not the case.

You do manage to wiggle a lot on that, making {la} even vaguer than {le}. The point is that, if you really agree with the view that {la} just uses the word detached from its semantics and syntax as much as may be, you have no ground for talking about the first place of the predicate that word happens most normally to be. But in talking about selpa'i you placed him in the first position and Lb supplied the second.

I said that the reason he chose the name "selpa'i" rather than the name "prami" was probably not just because he liked the sound more. The different meanings of the two predicates (reflected only in the order of their arguments) probably had something to do with his choice. If I remember correctly, la selckiku chose his name because of his relationship with someone named Key in English.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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