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Re: [lojban] Re: tersmu 0.2




On Sat, Oct 11, 2014 at 8:26 AM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:

We seem not so much to be disagreeing as to each be using a model of sentence meaning that differs from the other's in ways we have not fathomed the nature of.

Probably true.
 
My understanding doesn't have access to a model of sentence meaning in which propositions are used for things (such as illocutionary acts). I understand illocutionary operators to be part of logical form, and, for the reasons under discussion, an illocutionary operator can be an argument -- in this particular example, a question can be a causee, which is not ontologically weird. The illocutionary operator in its own right is (interpreted as) an action, while as argument of another predicate that in turn is argument of a different (in this instamce, assertive) illocutionary operator, it is part of a description of a state of affairs. The dual function of the rogative illocutionary is due to the way logical forms are interpreted: each illocutionary is interpreted as a performative action, and the argument of an illocutionary is interpreted as a description of a state of affairs. I claim not that my understanding is the only possible coherent one, but rather only that my understanding is the only coherent one I'm aware of.

OK, I think I follow that. I think "dual function" is the key. You are saying that the burden of eliciting this dual function is with the interpretation of the logical form, and I'm thinking that the logical form itself has to separate the two functions. I can see a connection with our respective takes on referring terms, since you would allow them to be used both to refer and make a claim at the same time, and I would want them just to refer.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
 

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