Re: [lojban-beginners] ko curmi le nu mi ninpengau do mi

[Alex Rozenshteyn <rpglover64@gmail.com>]

It may also be interesting to mention that "polluted by X" and "borrowed from X" in this case, mean similar things, and simply ascribe different values to them.  I remember reading that lojban takes the some of best features known in natural languages.

Why should having a distinction not found in one language be considered negative?
4 different ways to give a reason, and several event contours are distinctions not found in English, but I find the lojbanisms pleasantly different.

Also, question:  I grew up speaking Russian, although I don't know the grammar well, but I was under the impression that "cases" referred to the 6 declensions of a noun, while "aspects" refer to something similar to what lojban calls event contours.

On Mon, Sep 6, 2010 at 9:36 PM, Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl> wrote:

Dnia poniedziałek, 6 września 2010 o 20:00:15 Oleksii Melnyk napisał(a):

> 2010/9/5 Krzysztof Sobolewski <jezuch@interia.pl>
>
> > Yes, that's the whole idea of grammatical cases, isn't it? :)
>
> Have you tried to use all of the cases in one simple sentence? You'll found,
> that, ∃ a lot of verbs, such that ∃ some cases, that using it in the simple
> sentence with that verb gives a garbage. Take, for example, "BOJĄCY SIĘ".

That would be "bać się", I think.

> In
> both of mine native lang's, using roughly a half of the available cases with
> it causes nonsense. Here in lojbanistan, we say "that predicate have 2 sumti
> spaces". "dowiadywać się" have 4, "uczyć się", probably, 3 (:too lazy to
> check:).

I'm not a linguist, so I'll refrain from going too far where I don't know what I'm talking about, sorry ;)

> Most of English verbs, afaik, have not more than 2. So, "cilre" 3/2 less
> «"polluted" by the English meaning», as «by the russian» — it does have
> "instrumental"(by) from "ours" languages, and just moved rarely usable
> "dative" to "seva'u", while "raised" more frequent "from" and "about" :)

It still looks like a confusing mix of two different concepts to me. But my understanding is polluted by Polish meanings ;)
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