Re: [lojban] Re: {le} in xorlo

[Jorge Llambías <jjllambias@gmail.com>]

On Fri, Apr 23, 2010 at 8:16 PM, And Rosta <and.rosta@gmail.com> wrote:
> Jorge Llambías, On 23/04/2010 23:31:
>>
>>    no lo ze prenu (ku) poi pendo mi cu klama lo fasygu'e
>>    "None of the seven people who are my friends went to France."
>>
>> Am I saying that of the seven people who are my friends, none of them
>> went to France, or that of the seven people, no friend of mine went to
>> France? Without "ku", it's clearly the first, but what happens with
>> "ku"?
>
> Unsurprisingly, my intuitive reading of the ku poi version is the second
> one.

Yes, I think so too. Especially when considering:

    no ko'a poi pendo mi cu klama lo fasygu'e
    "None of them that are friends of mine went to France."

> Is the lack of two choices for ko'a poi due to syntactic reasons?

Yes, "ko'a" only has an outside available where to hang the relative clause.

> It
> shouldn't be for semantic reasons. If "ko'a" is equivalent to "lo me ko'a",
> as I think it should be, then there's the same contrast with "no lo ze me
> ko'a (ku) poi pendo mi cu klama lo fasygu'e" and hence "no ko'a (ku) poi
> pendo mi cu klama lo fasygu'e".

Yes, that makes sense.

> Changing the subject, slightly: one of the things about your putative
> equivalence between lo ku and zo'e that makes me uncomfortable is that zo'e
> should arguably include zi'o, but lo ku certainly shouldn't. But that's an
> issue less to do with logical language than with a specific Lojban bugfix
> (i.e. introduction of zi'o to compensate for bad gismu place structures and
> perhaps to render usage less erroneous (if empty sumti places can be filled
> with zi'o)).

I agree.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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