Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with place tags?

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Well, it could be argued that nothing that important ever happens in this neck 
of the woods and, when it does, it does so so slowly that there is plenty of 
time to clear up any misunderstandings.  But actually, it is just three (at 
least) different dialects meeting and adapting to one another in virtual 
isolation for a half a century or more (just before the Civil War to the coming 
of radio or the WPA, whichever was first) and it will take as long to sort 
itself out in the young'uns 





----- Original Message ----
From: Ivo Doko <ivo.doko@gmail.com>
To: lojban@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sat, April 9, 2011 3:06:54 PM
Subject: Re: [lojban] Re: I love Lojban's approach, but what's the deal with 
place tags?

On 9 April 2011 20:40, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:
> if my wife says "pan" (to my ears), I never
> know whether she is after a pan or a pen or a pin.

I always found that intriguing, how [æ], [ɛ] and [ɪ] have managed to
merge into one in some accents of English. Because my own native
language doesn't have [æ] but does have [ɛ], when I was learning
English as a child I always had a hard time distinguishing between
"man" and "men", "pat" and "pet", "bat" and "bet" etc., but after a
while my hearing just got adjusted to the additional phoneme and today
I can distinguish them (and pronounce them differently and correctly)
without a problem. Difference between [æ] and [ɛ] (and especially [ɪ])
is so crucial in so many situations in English that I just can't
understand how something like that managed to get lost.

As for lojban vowels, I have always pronounced them like this:

a - [a] or [aː]
e - [ɛ] or [ɛː]
i - [i] or [iː]
o - [o] or [oː]
u - [u] or [uː]
y - [ə] or [əː]

The length of the vowel in pronunciation I adjust to my own feeling,
which is undoubtedly heavily influenced by Serbo-Croatian and English.

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