Re: [lojban] gender

[vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com>]

On 11/18/2011 12:35 PM, tijlan wrote:
> On 18 November 2011 17:51, vitci'i <celestialcognition@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On 11/18/2011 06:35 AM, Sebastian Fröjd wrote:
>>> So what do you think about this definition?
>>>
>>> fetyjavnakykai: c1=n1=f1 has/is characterized by evidencing male or(/and)
>>> female traits/aspects c2=n2=f2 (ka) of species n2=f2; x1 has the sex/gender
>>> of being male or(/and) female of species x3.
>>>
>>> Notes: x2 may be biological and/or sociological defined; x2 may be a
>>> general definition (male/female) or based on particular
>>> characteristics/traits (biological (xadni), state of external genitalia
>>> (pinji or plibu), internal genitalia (ganti), sexual/social norms (te
>>> cinse/jikca) etc).
>>
>> There are more than two genders.
> 
> {fetyjavnak-} (female, male, or both female & male) would allow more
> than two genders. But I would agree that three mightn't still be
> enough.

It probably wouldn't. If we want to cover biological sex, then we need
to be able to distinguish (e.g.) a hermaphroditic creature such as a
slug from a member of a species that reproduces asexually. If we want to
cover sociological gender, it's even more complicated than that.

>> How about if we just let {cinse} mean gender, and move sexuality to {gledji}?
> 
> Yes, we could generalize {cinse} up to a point where it would cover
> the spectrum mentioned by J.E.C. above and would provide a more
> productive rafsi:
> 
> gincinse - genetic gender
> jikcinse - social gender
> klucinse - cultural gender
> etc.

I'm actually talking about making {cinse} less general -- it already
means gender; I just want to make it not also mean sexuality.

I also really want to have the explicit x3 and x4 places of {cinse} when
talking about gender, so that I can say things like {cinse fi so'i da}
or {cinse fo ma}.

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