Re: [lojban] cmevla as a class of brivla

[Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>]

On Sun, Jun 9, 2013 at 10:15 PM, John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com> wrote:

Ah, use-mention.  In order to mention a name, you have to use a name of that name (or some other device, but we;re in names here).  So xorxes has it right here, using English conventions, to talk about the name next *displayed*: la'o gy Starbucks gy  he uses the name of that name, here displayed:"la'o gy Starbucks gy". possibly including a bit too much, in the form of {la'o}.  Ian avoids the contentious issue of {la'o}, but now double quotes, getting too far up the scale.  He wants to talk about the names here displayed: gy Starbucks gy ,djan smit,  selpa'i.
To do that, he needs names of them, quotation names under Lojban conventions, namely  zoi gy Starbucks gy,  lu djan smit, zo selpa'i.  But rather than using these he uses the quotation names of these, using metaLojban conventions, and thus talks not about the names he intended but about their quotation names, which refer, of course to other quotation names, not Starbucks, John Smith and whoever selpa'i is.  

The quotes are just to deal with the fact that I'm speaking Lojban in an English discourse, that's all. This is a complete non-issue in Lojban discourse.

mi'e la latro'a mu'o

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