Re: translations and pragmatism (was Re: [lojban] Re: How it should have been. And how it could be.)

[John E Clifford <kali9putra@yahoo.com>]

Oh, that sense.  What people seem to be talking about pretty clearly goes beyond 
the formal sense of this into intertextuality (as in your examples) and general 
cultural icons.  I wish that had another name, since formal pragmatics is in 
enough trouble without any help from Derrida et al.




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From: Escape Landsome <escaaape@gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: translations and pragmatism (was Re: [lojban] Re: How it should 
have been. And how it could be.)

"Pragmatic" is related to semiotics.

In semiotics, there are three levels : Syntax, Semantics and Pragmatics

Syntax tells us how to put words together, Semantics gives us their
meaning once assembled, and Pragmatics tells us how they relate to
"what we know about the world".

The frontier between Semantics and Pragmatics is somewhat blurry, as
for instance, a semantic import of the word "banana" would be "a
yellow long curve-shaped edible fruit" but a pragmatic content would
be that one slips over a banana peel in Merry Melodies, or that
monkeys do appreciate them a lot...   But why not put "yellow" and
"curve-shaped" into pragmatics as well ?

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