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Re: [lojban] Individuals and xorlo





Le mardi 8 avril 2014 10:09:19 UTC+9, guskant a écrit :


Le mardi 8 avril 2014 02:24:11 UTC+9, la gleki a écrit :
The question to all involved in this this discussion.
1. Has the full resume been recorded anywhere?

I made a page on lojban.org a month ago in Japanese:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gadri+%E3%81%AE%E8%AB%96%E7%90%86%E5%AD%A6%E7%9A%84%E8%A6%B3%E7%82%B9%E3%81%8B%E3%82%89%E3%81%AE%E8%A7%A3%E8%AA%AC&no_bl=y

I am translating it into English, though I have not yet done:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gadri%3A+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view&no_bl=y

I am very bad at English, and your help/correction on the translation will be appreciated if you can read my Japanese text.

 
2. What is the definition of lu'o? Still loi=lu'o ro lo? 
3. What's the definition of {lu'a}? lu'a lo = lo me lo?


I did not discuss on {lu'o} and {lu'a} in the thread, but I will do in Section 3.3 of my commentary:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=gadri%3A+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view&no_bl=y#Relation_between_lu_a_lu_o_lu_i_and_gadri

{loi} = {lo gunma be lo} , the same as BPFK's definition.
As for {lu'a}, BPFK's definition is too weak for expressing an individual or individuals. I gave an unofficial definition of {lu'a} as follows:

{lu'a sumti} =ca'e {lo cmima be sumti noi selcmi ku onai lo se gunma be sumti noi gunma ku onai lo me sumti ku
                           vu'o noi su'o da zo'u da me ke'a gi'e no'a}

The detailed discussion will be translated soon on that page.



I have finished English translation of my commentary on gadri from a logical point of view:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/gadri%3A+an+unofficial+commentary+from+a+logical+point+of+view&no_bl=y

Any comments or questions will be appreciated.
Maybe I had better add a section for {jo'u}, {joi}, {ce}? 
As I often say, my English is very bad, and always needs correction by you all.

Here is the table of contents for your brief info:
1. Glossary
2. Plural quantification
2.1. Collectivity and distributivity
2.2. Plural constant and plural variable
2.2.1. me and jo'u
2.2.2. Individual
2.2.3. Difference between plural and singular
2.2.4. Bound singular variable
2.2.5. What is neither an individual nor individuals
2.2.6. A logical axiom on plural constant
3. Definition of gadri
3.1. Inner quantification
3.1.1. Repeating inner quantification
3.1.2. Problems on inner quantification
3.1.2.1. Cannot say zero
3.1.2.2. Cannot quantify material noun or something
3.2. Outer quantification
3.2.1. Combination of outer and inner quantifications
3.3. Relation between lu'a, lu'o, lu'i and gadri
4. Notes
4.1. About ontology
4.2. claxu x2
4.3. zo'e is a plural constant
4.3.1. If zo'e could be a bound plural variable
4.3.1.1. Merits
4.3.1.2. Demerits
4.3.2. Problems caused by the fact that zo'e is a plural constant and the counter-measures
4.3.2.1. Cannot express plural quantification of non-existence
4.3.2.2. Cannot express bound plural variable, which does not specify a referent
4.3.2.3. Cannot express elementary particles with lo
4.3.2.4. How to interpret a prevailing view
4.3.2.5. How to express free variables


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